Sued for Debt--Why Your Chances to Win Are So Good - Credit Card Lawsuit
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Sued for Debt--Why Your Chances to Win Are So Good - Credit Card Lawsuit
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Credit Card Lawsuits ? "but I Owe The Money" - Credit Card Lawsuit
I hear this one all the time. Potential clients call my office because they have been sued by collection agencies on old credit card accounts. I tell them that we can defend the case and likely win. They often say "But, I owe the money?"
My response to that is no, you don't. Most people do not realize this, but here's how it works with a credit card. You obtain a card from original creditor. Something happens and you lose your ability to pay so you go into default. The original creditor waits up to 180 days and then charges off the account. At this point, the original creditor has 2 choices: 1) try to collect from you by filing a lawsuit; or 2) selling the debt to a junk debt buyer or collection agency. Often times, the original creditor chooses option 2.
When a credit card account is sold, it is sold not as an individual account, but rather, as part of a group of block of delinquent accounts. Typically, these accounts are sold for mere pennies on the dollar. A group of "good" bad debt (good defined as recently defaulted) may sell for 5 cents on the dollar. It can get sold again and again, each time at lower rates. We have seen instances where 00 of debt has sold for .25.
So the purchasing collection agency then files a lawsuit against you. This is where "but I owe the money" comes into play. From my standpoint, you may owe the money to the original creditor at the time that you default. If they lend you money or extend credit to you, you do have an obligation to pay it back so you do "owe the money". However, once you go into default and they charge it off, they have a choice to make. They can sue or sell. If they sue, then maybe you do "owe the money". But if they sell, then I don't believe that you "owe the money" any longer.
Here is my reasoning. You have a credit account and are extended credit. You certainly owe the original creditor something at that point. Once you go into default, you still "owe the money". I believe, however, that if they sell the account, then you no longer "owe the money" because they have received compensation for you default. When they sell your account they are saying that they no longer want to deal with you and they would like to be compensated for the default. Collection Agency A comes along and gives the original creditor money for your account. At that point, the original creditor is out of the picture. They have received what they deemed to be adequate compensation for your default. They would not have sold it otherwise, right? So if the original creditor is adequately compensated, then you no longer "owe the money" in my opinion.
This isn't to say that a legal interest such as a credit card account cannot be bought and sold. Those transactions are certainly legal. I am simply looking at this from a debtor's standpoint. If you pay anything to that collection agency, if you believe that you "owe the money" , you are simply paying pure profit to that collection agency. After all, they paid only pennies on the dollar for your account. After the first or so, any money that you pay to them is pure profit. Do you really "owe the money"?
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Greg Artim is a partner in the consumer law firm Morrow & Artim, P.C. based in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania. For more answers to your debt settlement or credit card questions, be sure to visit his website at PA Consumer Attorney or PA Credit Card Law
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If there were more lawyers like you the world would be a better place.
Thank you!
This is excellent advice. I was nervous until I hired a lawyer. They are suing for an $1100 debt that is so old. Original creditor was Providian who was bought out by WAMU who sold the debt to LVNV who sent the debt to Gemini Capital who has hired a lawyer to come after me.
I’m going to fight this because I doubt they have a paper trail. In the summons, it does say Gemini is an assignee of Providian Bank.
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